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Published on 05/01/2025 at 17:04
CFO Commentary
May 1, 2025
ARTHUR J. GALLAGHER & CO. - CFO COMMENTARY - MAY 1, 2025
This communication is subject to, and you are urged to carefully read, the cautions set forth at the beginning of this communication. All estimates, unless specifically stated otherwise, do not include the pending acquisition of AssuredPartners.
ACTUAL
ESTIMATES ON MARCH 20, 2025
ESTIMATES ON MAY 1, 2025
BROKERAGE SEGMENT Q1 2025 2025 Quarterly Full Year 2025 2025 Quarterly Full Year 2025
Q1: ($0.03)
Q2: ($0.01)
Q3: ($0.03) Q4: $0.01
Q1: ($15 million) Q2: very little impact Q3: ($20 million) Q4: $5 million
Approx. ($0.06)
Approx. ($30 million)
nep
nep
nep
nep
Q2: $0.01 Q3: ($0.01) Q4: $0.02
Approx. ($0.01)
Q2: $20 million Q3: very little impact
Q4: $25 million
Approx. $27 million
nep
nep
nep
nep
Foreign Currency Impact on Earnings Per Share
(shown as an adjustment to prior year numbers)
Foreign Currency Impact on Revenues
(shown as an adjustment to prior year numbers)
Integration Costs Per Share
Workforce & Lease Termination Costs Per Share
($0.03)
($17.8 million)
$0.13
$0.05
EBITDAC Margin, as adjusted 43.4% (1)
Full year organic > 4%, possible to expand full year margin
Full year organic > 4%, possible to expand full year margin
Amortization of intangibles
$163 million pretax (2)
$163 million pretax (3) $652 million pretax (3)
$177 million pretax (3) $694 million pretax (2),(3)
Depreciation - Recurring
Change in Estimated Earnout Payable - Recurring Rollover Revenues from Acquisitions
$33 million pretax $33 million pretax $132 million pretax $34 million pretax $135 million pretax
$13 million pretax $13 million pretax $52 million pretax $11 million pretax $46 million pretax
--------------------------------------- See table on page 6 ---------------------------------------
Adjusted Effective Tax Rate
25.6%
----------------------- 24.5% to 26.5% ----------------------
----------------------- 24.5% to 26.5% ----------------------
Earnings from continuing operations attributable to noncontrolling interests
RISK MANAGEMENT SEGMENT
$4.5 million Q1: $5 million Q2 to Q4 :$1 million
Approx. $8 million Q2 to Q4 :$1 million Approx. $8 million
Workforce & Lease Termination Costs Per Share
Foreign Currency Impact on Revenues
(shown as an adjustment to prior year numbers)
Foreign Currency Impact on Earnings Per Share
(shown as an adjustment to prior year numbers)
very little impact
very little impact
Q1: ($1 million) Q2: ($2 million) Q3: ($4 million) Q4: $1 million
nep
Approx. ($6 million)
nep
very little impact
very little impact
Q2: ($1 million) Q3: ($3 million) Q4: $1 million
Approx. ($5 million)
nep
nep
$0.00
($1.5 million)
$0.01
EBITDAC Margin (before reimbursements), as adjusted 20.5% Approx. 20.5% Approx. 20.5% Approx. 20.5% Approx. 20.5%
Amortization of intangibles
$6 million pretax
$6 million pretax $24 million pretax
$7 million pretax $27 million pretax
Depreciation - Recurring $10 million pretax $10 million pretax $40 million pretax $10 million pretax $40 million pretax
Rollover Revenues from Acquisitions ------------------------------------------- See page 6 -------------------------------------------
Adjusted Effective Tax Rate 26.6%
OTHER
Weighted Average Multiple of EBITDAC for Tuck-in Acquisition Pricing 11.5x
Notes
Yellow highlighted rows will be presented as adjustments to GAAP earnings. All estimates related to foreign currency are based on April 30, 2025 exchange rates.
------------------------ 25% to 27% -----------------------
------------------------ 10.0x to 11.0x ------------------------
------------------------ 25% to 27% -----------------------
------------------------ 10.0x to 11.0x ------------------------
First quarter 2025 adjusted EBITDAC margin would be 40.9% excluding approximately $143 million of interest income revenues earned on the proceeds received in December 2024 related to the AssuredPartners Financing.
First quarter 2025 Brokerage Segment amortization expense of $163 million excludes approximately $41 million of expense related to the decision to exit a couple small, non-core operations.
As we complete more acquisitions, for every dollar we spend, increase amortization by about 1% of the purchase price per quarter. In addition, interest expense will increase if the acquisition was financed, in whole or part, with debt.
nep = no estimate provided
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ARTHUR J. GALLAGHER & CO. - CFO COMMENTARY - MAY 1, 2025
This communication is subject to, and you are urged to carefully read, the cautions set forth at the beginning of this communication. All estimates, unless specifically stated otherwise, do not include the pending acquisition of AssuredPartners.
(5) Estimated 2025 interest and banking costs include the impact of the
AssuredPartners Financing of approximately $48 million after‐tax per quarter.
2024 and 2025 consist of operating results related to Gallagher's investments in
new clean energy projects. Pretax earnings are presented net of amounts attributable to noncontrolling interests.
The quarterly impact related to unrealized foreign exchange remeasurement gains (loss) is the following:
Unrealized FX
Period 2024 2025
1Q $ 0.6 $ (23.0)
2Q (2.2)
3Q (14.9)
4Q 16.4
Total $ (0.1)
Gallagher incurred transaction‐related costs, which include legal, consulting, employee compensation and other professional fees associated with completed, future and terminated acquisitions. Adjustments primarily relate to the acquisition of the Willis Towers Watson treaty reinsurance brokerage operations, the acquisitions of Buck, Cadence, and Eastern, all of which closed in 2023, Woodruff Sawyer, which closed on April 10, 2025, and the pending acquisition of
Adjustments in third quarter 2024 include costs associated with tax matters.
Notes:
1st Quarter
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Reported 1st quarter Transaction‐related costs (3) Total Adjustments
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Adjusted 1st quarter
2nd Quarter
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Reported 2nd quarter Transaction‐related costs (3) Total Adjustments
Interest and banking costs Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Adjusted 2nd quarter
3rd Quarter
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1)
Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Reported 3rd quarter
Transaction‐related costs (3) Legal and tax related (4)
Total Adjustments
Interest and banking costs Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Adjusted 3rd quarter
4th Quarter
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Reported 4th quarter
Clean‐energy related (1)
Transaction‐related costs (3)
Total Adjustments
Interest and banking costs Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Adjusted 4th quarter
Full Year
Interest and banking costs
Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Reported Full Year
Corporate legal entity restructuring Clean‐energy related (1)
Transaction‐related costs (3) Legal and tax related (4)
Total Adjustments
Interest and banking costs Clean‐energy related (1) Acquisition costs Corporate (2)
Adjusted Full Year
CORPORATE SEGMENT
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2024
RECONCILIATION OF REPORTED TO ADJUSTED
Pretax
Earnings (Loss)
Income Tax
Benefit (Expense)
Net Earnings
(Loss) Attributable
to Controlling Interests
$ (93.1)
$ 24.2
$ (68.9)
(1.9)
0.5
(1.4)
(4.7)
0.8
(3.9)
(56.9)
51.9
(5.0)
(156.6)
77.4
(79.2)
3.2
(0.5)
2.7
3.2
(0.5)
2.7
(93.1)
24.2
(68.9)
(1.9)
0.5
(1.4)
(1.5)
0.3
(1.2)
(56.9)
51.9
(5.0)
$ (153.4)
$ 76.9
$ (76.5)
$ (95.0)
$ 24.7
$ (70.3)
(2.2)
0.4
(1.8)
(7.3)
1.2
(6.1)
(41.6)
24.6
(17.0)
(146.1) 50.9
(95.2)
2.8 (0.5)
2.3
2.8
(0.5)
2.3
(95.0)
24.7
(70.3)
(2.2)
0.4
(1.8)
(4.5)
0.7
(3.8)
(41.6)
24.6
(17.0)
$ (143.3)
$ 50.4
$ (92.9)
$ (93.7)
$ 24.4
$ (69.3)
(1.9)
0.5
(1.4)
(15.2)
2.6
(12.6)
(58.5)
28.3
(30.2)
(169.3)
55.8
(113.5)
8.9
(2.3)
6.6
‐
3.5
3.5
8.9
1.2
10.1
(93.7)
24.4
(69.3)
(1.9)
0.5
(1.4)
(6.3)
0.3
(6.0)
(58.5)
31.8
(26.7)
$ (160.4)
$ 57.0
$ (103.4)
$ (93.7)
$ 24.4
$ (69.3)
0.3
(0.1)
0.2
(24.8)
5.1
(19.7)
(31.9)
18.8
(13.1)
(150.1)
48.2
(101.9)
(2.3)
0.6
(1.7)
17.3
(2.6)
14.7
15.0
(2.0)
13.0
(93.7)
24.4
(69.3)
(2.0)
0.5
(1.5)
(7.5)
2.5
(5.0)
(31.9)
18.8
(13.1)
$ (135.1)
$ 46.2
$ (88.9)
$ (375.5)
$ 97.7
$ (277.8)
(5.7)
1.3
(4.4)
(52.0)
9.7
(42.3)
(188.9)
123.6
(65.3)
(622.1)
232.3
(389.8)
(2.3)
0.6
(1.7)
32.2
(5.9)
26.3
‐
3.5
3.5
29.9
(1.8)
28.1
(375.5)
97.7
(277.8)
(8.0)
1.9
(6.1)
(19.8)
3.8
(16.0)
(188.9)
127.1
(61.8)
$ (592.2)
$ 230.5
$ (361.7)
2025
RECONCILIATION OF REPORTED TO ADJUSTED
Pretax
Earnings (Loss)
Income Tax
Benefit (Expense)
Net Earnings
(Loss) Attributable
to Controlling Interests
$ (159.5)
$ 41.5
$ (118.0)
(1.8)
0.5
(1.3)
(26.4)
3.4
(23.0)
(94.6)
88.6
(6.0)
(282.3)
134.0
(148.3)
23.1
(3.1)
20.0
23.1
(3.1)
20.0
(159.5)
41.5
(118.0)
(1.8)
0.5
(1.3)
(3.3)
0.3
(3.0)
(94.6)
88.6
(6.0)
$ (259.2)
$ 130.9
$ (128.3)
2025 ESTIMATES
ON MARCH 20, 2025 (5)
Net Earnings (Loss) Attributable to Controlling Interests
Range Low to High
$ (120.0)
$ (115.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(4.0)
(3.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
(146.0)
(135.5)
(120.0)
(115.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(4.0)
(3.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
$ (146.0)
$ (135.5)
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
(152.0)
(141.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
$ (152.0)
$ (141.5)
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
(152.0)
(141.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
$ (152.0)
$ (141.5)
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
(152.0)
(141.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(20.0)
(16.0)
$ (152.0)
$ (141.5)
$ (495.0)
$ (475.0)
(8.0)
(6.0)
(19.0)
(15.0)
(80.0)
(64.0)
(602.0)
(560.0)
(495.0)
(475.0)
(8.0)
(6.0)
(19.0)
(15.0)
(80.0)
(64.0)
$ (602.0)
$ (560.0)
2025 ESTIMATES
ON MAY 1, 2025 (5)
Net Earnings (Loss) Attributable to Controlling Interests
Range Low to High
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
(153.0)
(142.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
$ (153.0)
$ (142.5)
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
(153.0)
(142.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
$ (153.0)
$ (142.5)
$ (125.0)
$ (120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
(153.0)
(142.5)
(125.0)
(120.0)
(2.0)
(1.5)
(5.0)
(4.0)
(21.0)
(17.0)
$ (153.0)
$ (142.5)
$ (493.0)
$ (478.0)
(7.3)
(5.8)
(38.0)
(35.0)
(69.0)
(57.0)
(607.3)
(575.8)
20.0
20.0
20.0
20.0
(493.0)
(478.0)
(7.3)
(5.8)
(18.0)
(15.0)
(69.0)
(57.0)
$ (587.3)
$ (555.8)
This communication is subject to, and you are urged to carefully read, the cautions set forth at the beginning of this communication. All estimates, unless specifically stated otherwise, do not include the pending acquisition of AssuredPartners.
The following provides certain information related to Gallagher's investments in limited liability companies that own or owned 35 clean coal production plants, which produced refined coal using
proprietary technologies owned by Chem‐Mod. We believe that the production and sale of refined coal at these plants qualified to receive refined coal tax credits under IRC Section 45 through 2019 for the fourteen 2009 Era Plants and through 2021 for the twenty one 2011 Era Plants. The underlying operations of those investments where Gallagher has a controlling ownership interest are consolidated. Gallagher plans to utilize tax credit carryforwards that should favorably impact operating cash flows.
($ in millions)
12 2009 Under long‐term production contracts during 2019 and prior periods
2 2009 Not in active negotiations for long‐term production contracts during 2019
Actual 2024
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2021
$ (6.1)
Actual 2024
$ 91.4
2025
Estimates
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2021
minimal
Estimated Annual
Greater than $180m
2026 & Beyond
Estimates
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2019
Sunset in 2021
minimal
Estimated Annual
Greater than $200m
21 2011 Under long‐term production contracts during 2021 and prior periods
$ 711.3
March 31, 2025
* 2025 and 2026 & beyond estimates include the operating results of new clean energy investments.
** Future estimated net after‐tax cash flows, including 2025, and 2026 & beyond are dependent upon the magnitude of U.S. taxable income generated in the future and may vary materially, higher or lower, from the estimates provided. Potential future changes in domestic and international tax policy have not been contemplated in these estimates.
All estimates set forth above regarding the potential future earnings and after‐tax cash flow impact of our clean energy investments are subject to significant risks. Please refer to the cautionary statement on page 2 of this communication and Gallagher's filings with the SEC, including Item 1A, "Risk Factors" in its most recently filed Annual Report on Form 10‐K and any subsequently filed Quarterly Reports on Form 10‐Q for a more detailed discussion of these and other factors that could impact the information above.
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